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war without end? . . .NOT IN OUR NAME

Not in Our Name
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Fox News, O'Reilly Factor

While the United Nations debated the inspection report indoors yesterday, more than 1,200 protested outside. And on television, Miles Soley brought our message to millions on the O'Reilly Factor. Transcript below.

O'Reilly: "I mean, you have no idea how history unfolds... It fogs in, it fogs out"

Soley:"millions in this country are joining those internationally, who do not want to see an unjust, immoral and illegitimate war"

January 27, 2003

HEADLINE: Is it un-American for Protest Group to Challenge Stance in Iraq

GUESTS:  Miles Solay

O'REILLY:  In the "Impact" segment tonight, we told you in the "Talking Points" memo that the group Not In Our Name apparently believes the Gulf War and the removal of Manuel Noriega in Panama can be compared to the terrorist attack on 9/11.

With us now, a spokesperson for that group, Miles Solay.

How old are you?

MILES SOLAY, NOT IN OUR NAME:  I'm 21 years old.

O'REILLY:  Twenty-one years old.   And what do you do for a living?

SOLAY:  I'm an organizer in the anti-war movement, and I travel around the country.

O'REILLY:  OK, you look pretty young to be representing the likes of Howard Zinn and Susan Sarandon, and Jesse Jackson, Daniel Elsberg.   But you're the spokesperson?

SOLAY:  I'm a spokesperson, yes.   For the Not In Our Name project, yes.

O'REILLY:  All right, ye.   You know my problem, in this ad in "The New York Times" today, which cost — had to cost more than $100,000, so you guys must be raising some pretty prime money there, you basically say that America has committed terrorism, as well.

SOLAY:  Well, what we say in our — in the Not In Our Name statement of conscience, is that it precedes from internationalism, that American lives are not worth more than any lives anywhere else around the world.

And when we say that we also shared in the horrific shock of September 11 and we also shared in the grief that people witnessed in Panama and Vietnam and September 11, 1973, when the United States had regime change in Chile, and we say that we can't stand by while our government is about to commit horrendous acts around the world.

O'REILLY:  You point to Baghdad and the first Gulf War.   Are you basically saying that that Gulf War was wrong?

SOLAY:  Well, what — What we're saying is that the 200,000 civilians who were killed in the first Gulf War, the 500,000 children who have died because of malnutrition, or the thousands of people...

O'REILLY:  But whose fault was that?   I believe that's the fault of the leadership of Iraq, correct?   Or would you have stood by and allowed them to take over Kuwait?

SOLAY:  Well, we're holding responsible our government, a government who is perpetrating violence, a government who is now...

O'REILLY:  Now, let me stop you.   What do you mean perpetrating violence?

Unless I'm wrong, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, took over a sovereign country and we rescued that country.   You see that as perpetrating violence?

SOLAY:  Well, then, let me ask you this, what do you have to say about when Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein in 1984 as...

O'REILLY:  What do I have to say about it?   I don't care about it.   It's not germane or relevant to what we're talking about.

SOLAY:  Well, that was when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds and Iranian troops in the Iran-Iraq war.

O'REILLY:  What do I have to say about the war of 1812?   It doesn't matter.

What matters is that you are saying, in this advertisement, signed by some very, very high-profile people, that we are terrorists here.

SOLAY:  That's not what we are saying...

O'REILLY:  Sure you are.   You're basically saying that we shook our heads at the terrible scenes of carnage, even as we recalled similar scenes.   You're comparing 9/11 — all right?  — the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, to Baghdad and Panama City.

That's obscene.   That is so, so offensive to clear-thinking Americans.   Don't you have any clue how offensive that is?

SOLAY:  In fact we are people who live in this country.   And you know as well as I know that, quiet as it's kept, there are millions of people in this country, millions in this country, who are joining those internationally, who do not want to see an unjust, immoral and illegitimate war.

O'REILLY:  All right.   And you have a right to that opinion.   And I'm not criticizing you for that opinion.

SOLAY:  What I'm saying about the Not In Our Name statement of conscience, is it's not that it's un-American, it's a statement that's standing with the people of the world.   We're not granting privilege to people...

O'REILLY:  You can say you're standing with the people of the world, but if they believe this, you're standing with the pinheads of the world who don't know anything.

To basically say that the United States government, removing Manuel Noriega...

SOLAY:  Who was an ally of the United States.

O'REILLY:  I don't care.   It doesn't — so was Stalin, OK?   I mean, you have no idea how history unfolds and how it's different.   It fogs in, it fogs out.   It depends on the circumstances.

Manuel Noriega, running a cartel, a drug distribution cartel out of Panama and we don't have the moral right to go in there and remove him? That's insane.

SOLAY:  What we're saying here in the Not In Our Name statement of conscience, again, and what we're saying in the burgeoning anti-war movement in this country and internationally, is that a country like our own, who is not only threatening to use weapons of mass destruction but has, including nuclear weapons, and is now declaring...

O'REILLY:  Of course it has.   It ended World War II.

SOLAY:  And is threatening to use them as first strike, why is it that the United States is going for regime change in Iraq but not other countries in the region?

O'REILLY:  So listen, I didn't hear a word from you, Miles, or any of your organization, when President Clinton initiated the regime change in Yugoslavia.   You didn't say a word about it.   And none of these pinheads would have signed it, because they like Clinton.

What this is about is, you don't like Bush, you don't like the Republicans and you're going to use this shoddy, cheap and denigrating propaganda, offensive to the families of lost people, to make your point.

SOLAY:  There are family members from September 11 who had signed...

O'REILLY:  Nobody signed this from September 11.

SOLAY:  Jeremy Glick, who lost his father in September 11, has signed this statement.   As well as a group called a Peaceful Tomorrow.

O'REILLY:  We'll get that guy Jeremy Glick on tomorrow if that's the case.   I'm not sure it is the case.

SOLAY:  Let me just make this point right here.

O'REILLY:  Go ahead.

SOLAY:  We're taking responsibility, like I said, for the injustices that our own government is committing.   And right now our government has dropped troops...

O'REILLY:  You know that.   And there's a reason they have.

All right.   Jeremy Glick.   OK, we're going to get him.

Listen, again, you want to be against the war, fine.   I respect that.   You want to say that we are the moral equivalent to terrorists...

SOLAY:  That's not what we say.

O'REILLY:  Yes it is.   You read that.   That's exactly what it says.

SOLAY:  Read the quote.   Read the quote.

O'REILLY:  I read the quote.

SOLAY:  It's a different quote.

O'REILLY:  It's right there in black and white.   And everybody can read it on, if you want to read it again.

All right, Mr. Solay, we appreciate you coming in but this is disgraceful.

When we come back, more rioting in Oakland, this time after the Super Bowl.   What's going on in that city?   We'll tell you when we come back.

Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly.   Thank you for watching us tonight.

In a time of war, should certain statements by American citizens be considered un-American?   That's the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo .

You may remember that shortly after 9/11 Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said that God had a hand in the attack, because America is a sinful country.   Now, those comments were outrageous and, I believe, un-American.   And the two men apologized a short time later.

Now comes another bit of un-American propaganda, this time from the left and it is no less outrageous.

In a two-page advertisement in The New York Times today, a group calling itself, "Not In Our Name" criticizes the war on terror and the impending action against Saddam Hussein.

But the ad goes way over the line when it states, quote, "We too watched with shock the horrific events of September 11, 2001.   We too mourned the thousands of innocent dead and shook our heads at the terrible scenes of carnage — even as we recalled similar scenes in Baghdad, Panama City, and a generation ago, Vietnam."

When I read that, I couldn't believe it.   This guy is comparing the slaughter of American civilians on 9/11 to the first Gulf War, where Saddam Hussein was defeated after invading Kuwait, and to the removal of Manuel Noriega, who had turned the country of Panama into a drug distribution cartel.

This is an absolute outrage and demonstrates not only muddled thinking but an anti-American point of view that is staggering in its implications.   The Not In Our Name group apparently sees America as the brutal oppressor.   And I think this opinion is un-American in time of war.

Now, the usual left wing suspects signed the ad.   People like Ramsey Clark, Jesse Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Al Sharpton and Congressman Jim McDermott.   On the show biz side, Susan Sarandon but not her partner Tim Robbins, signed it, as did Danny Glover, Martin Sheen, Joan and John Cusack and Sandy Duncan, of all people.

Dissent is always welcome on The Factor, but this kind of propaganda is insulting to the families who lost loved ones to the terrorists and damaging to the war on terror itself.

The ad states that America has no moral right to remove terrorists, because we ourselves our terrorists.   This is dishonest, disgusting and un-American, period.

So here's what we've done.   Because these dissenters have a voice, we want to give you one, as well.   You can go to and tell this group exactly what you think of their ad.   From our web site, we've provided a link to their web site.

Please keep your comments rational and non-threatening, no obscenities and no foolish statements.   Let them know how you feel, but do it with class.

And that's The Memo.   We'll have more on this story coming up.

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